Sunday, February 25, 2007

Who Cares?

Here is a scenario I see all too often. An elderly gentleman is brought to the ER by his wife. They came straight from the specialist's office, reportedly to be admitted to the hospital. Unfortunately, as is usually the case, no such arrangements were made by either the specialist or the primary physician. A room was not reserved, orders were not given, the ER was not notified.

So late on a Friday afternoon, the couple arrives to find a crowded department. "We're here to check in," she tells the triage nurse. Somewhat miffed at the dropped ball, they still consider the ER visit to be only a formality. A brief stop, if you will, on their way up to "their room" in the hospital.

So they wait, and they wait, and they wait....and finally they get placed in a room. A room in the ER, that is. I can't see them immediately, however, because we have a packed house of really sick folks. But I move quickly, and perhaps in an hour or so I make it around to evaluate them. By this time, the patient's labs have been drawn and their overnight bags are stowed unassumingly in the corner. It's now almost midnight, and they have been in the ER over 6 hours. He's sleepy, and although she is exceedingly polite the strain of the experience is evident in her voice.

"When do we go up to our room?" she asks.

"Well, I need to talk to you a bit to see what I can do for you. What brings you into the ER tonight?" Because she was brought up well, she stifles the eye roll and sigh. But I can read her mind.

Unfortunately, after my interview and examination it is not at all clear that he NEEDS to be admitted to the hospital. I have no previous records to review, and the problems I can identify seem to be chronic and self-limited. There is no obvious indication for admission. Perhaps I can discuss the situation with either his primary care physician or one of the specialists he sees. So I proceed to make a series of calls.

Of course none of his physicians are on call, and none of the cross-covering MDs know anything about the patient at all. What's worse, they aren't inclined to accept a soft admission late on a Friday night. And often they are noticeably grumpy that I am bothering them after midnight. Cross-covering MDs are the bane of my existence.

"But Dr. Specialist reportedly talked about this with Dr. Primary, and he sent this gentleman here to be admitted," I protest. Unfortunately, they didn't pass the word along to their partners or make the necessary arrangements. So I'm stuck in the middle, hoping for some laboratory or imaging test that will justify an admission.

We in the ER are going to be considered the bad guys either way. If he is admitted, they will complain about the wait. If I am forced to send him home, I am a big meanie. Meanwhile, the waiting room gets even more crowded as I have to spend a significant amount of time dealing with this inappropriate situation.

UPDATE: Hallway Four feels my pain.

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15 Comments:

Blogger ERnursey said...

Don't you just love it. If I had a dollar for every patient that told me "my doctor told me he'd meet me here" I could retire a rich woman. I used to try to be nice but now I just tell them "what your doctor meant is go to the ER and they'll do all my work for me." Grrr.

2/25/2007 12:09:00 PM  
Blogger Stefan D. Tarlow MD said...

I am an orthopedic surgeon specializing in the knee in Scottsdale, Arizona. I followed doctor blogs for the past year and recently started my own. I recently came across your blog and wanted to touch base with other Drs with more experience. I wanted to invite you to visit my blog at http://tarlowmd.blogspot.com and would enjoy hearing any comments that you have. Keep up the good work.
-Dr. Tarlow

2/25/2007 12:32:00 PM  
Blogger hannah said...

Yup, pretty much. And definitely pretty much to ernursey's comment. Whoops, sorry, your doc was dumping you on us. 'tho I will explain the situation to anyone who asks nicely. "Look, your doctor dropped the ball and..." etc.

2/25/2007 10:07:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dittos. A thousand dittos. They think you are doing nothing when they have unknowingly destroyed your whole shift because you spend an hour of agonizing time making phone calls on their behalf.

2/25/2007 11:13:00 PM  
Blogger ShadowFalcon said...

Oh no what a terrible situation to be in. I don't understand when we live in a world with e-mail, satalites and mobile phones why people still can't communicate

2/26/2007 03:24:00 AM  
Blogger Flea said...

Jesus! When did doctors stop talking to one another?

No wonder ED docs don't call me! My friggin' bozo colleagues fucked up relations between us and the ED ages ago.

That explains why they think I'm crazy for asking to be called by them when a patient of mine shows up unexpectedly (i.e. without discussing the matter with me first).

I choose to speak to my colleagues. If you, scalpel, choose to do the same, perhaps the virus will spread to others. At least we'll appear to be the professionals in the transaction!

best,

Flea

2/26/2007 04:30:00 AM  
Blogger scalpel said...

I call doctors every night; that's what I do. I have to call them to get their patients admitted. The problem these days is a lack of "ownership" of the patient which is multifactorial.

The specialist who saw the patient probably expected the PCP to admit, and vice versa. Many specialists will never ever be the admitting physician of record no matter what the situation; some will admit even problems which are outside their specialty and consult whoever to assist the management.

Old school docs are always available to discuss the care of their patients. I recently had a very pleasant (and helpful) conversation at 3 am with a nearly-retired Rheumatologist about one of his lupus patients I was seeing.

But many younger docs are off the clock Friday at 5 pm and their partners are about as helpful as a tree stump. I blame the 80 hour residency workweek.

2/26/2007 05:31:00 AM  
Blogger The Platypus said...

This happens a lot. First, I tell them to stop, take a breath, and realize that it's not me that fucked everything up. It's not unusual for them to show up at our prelim desk and demand that I "call my doctor". No, I don't do that. If the ER doctor wants to do it a few hours down the road that's his prerogative but right now "your doctor" works here in the ER and he's busy with other patients. Once their PCP sent them to us without a call to my staff he pretty much washed his hands of the whole problem.

2/26/2007 10:57:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe I'm missing something. Wouldn't the patient's wife be able to call the doctors involved to straighten this out? I know my Great Aunt and mother would be on the phone in a heartbeat trying to get everything straightened out.

Things happen. Nine times out of ten, I have seen ER personnel actively ignore requests to contact regular physicians in emergency situations, so I would not be real confident of them trying to get ahold of a physician.

BTW: All of my doctors are "old school". If you choose medicine you are choosing an avocation - not just a job. Same thing for teaching, and several other "helping" professions.

Pax,

MLO

2/26/2007 01:49:00 PM  
Blogger Timeless Boulevard said...

This is a worldwide epidemic...we get these in the Philippines too...it is probably the reason I drink too much coffee...half kidding!
:-)

2/26/2007 02:41:00 PM  
Anonymous scalpel said...

MLO:

If you are one of the fortunate few who have a physician who you can get in contact with after hours (who takes his own call), then it is understandable that you would be shocked at this situation.

Of course such a physician would probably have already arranged for your admission as was discussed, so the situation in question wouldn't have come up.

2/26/2007 03:13:00 PM  
Blogger Bohemian Road Nurse... said...

It happens here, too. And sometimes I'm caught in the middle of the whole thing because the primary tells me to "tell the patient to go to the ER", and then the ER doc hollers at me for sending them to the ER "instead of the primary's office"---and then the patients yell at me later for the long wait they endured in the ER. It can really turn into a snafu...

2/26/2007 09:32:00 PM  
Blogger View from the Trekant said...

Totally rude! Our office policy is to call and fax chart notes or recent tests when directing someone to the ER so that you have a H and P in your hand when you meet our patient.

The patients also need to be told what to expect. If the described problem doesn't sound like it's in our area of expertise, we tell the patient to expect work up in the ER, not a direct admission.

3/01/2007 07:24:00 AM  
Blogger Bohemian Road Nurse... said...

Scalpel: I should have listened to you way back when you warned people to get the flu shot. I just came back from the doc with Tamiflu and various other lovely meds....and I am now going to go lie in bed and wish for death. (And without insurance everything cost about $275, whereas a flu shot would only have been $20...please shoot me now...)

3/02/2007 04:39:00 PM  
Blogger scalpel said...

I hope you feel better soon. Drink lots of fluids and rest.

3/02/2007 05:24:00 PM  

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